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Drupal Podcast 67: Do It With Drupal '08 (Live)

  • Artist: Lullabot
  • Title: Drupal Podcast 67: Do It With Drupal '08 (Live)
  • Album: Drupal Podcast
  • Year: 2008
  • Length: 59:21 minutes (14.51 MB)
  • Format: Mono 22kHz 34Kbps (VBR)

Nate Haug, John VanDyk, Chris Messina, Karen McGrane, Jeff Eaton, Earl Miles, Angie Byron, Karen Stevenson, James Walker, and Jeff Robbins wrap up the Do It With Drupal Seminar and take questions from the audience.

Comments

Anyone looking for a picture

Anyone looking for a picture of John's favorite bug can find some here and be further creeped out - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triatominae : )

D5 bug

the answer on the question "disappearing block settings" at 22 minutes

http://drupal.org/node/115596

Anyone know what the amazing

Anyone know what the amazing comment module they talked about in the first few mins? (not nodecomment)

You'd never guess

The one that ships with Drupal core. It's called "Comment", and you can always find it on the Modules admin page even if you haven't installed a single 3rd party module :P

No, no, no. The one that

No, no, no. The one that allows you to control the placement of the comments form/listing inside the node.tpl.php without having to hack core !!!

Comment Display

I asked Earl after the

I asked Earl after the session what I should be looking for and he wasn't able to point me in the right direction and I wasn't able to find it on drupal.org. I don't know if it exists elsewhere but if anyone finds it let us know. I know I'd appreciate it.

Changing Core tables

Hi,

The question about changing the core tables. You do need to be careful but now in D6 you can use the http_schema_alter() http://api.drupal.org/api/function/hook_schema_alter/6 which will allow you to alter the schema, and because drupal using drupal_write_record() and they will generally pass the entire record so this will update the field without need to add additional code to do this.

Gordon.

Changing Core tables

Just forgot, Adding is really fine, but removing or renaming columns is a bad thing.

Sharing content between sites - Domain Access

As soon as I heard the question about sharing content between sites, I immediately thought Domain Access. I was therefore surprised to hear you recommend not attempting it...

I've been setting up a multi-site site at work using the Domain Access module and find it perfect for my needs. Yes it takes time to learn and understand, and goodness knows I'm still getting my heard around parts of it, but for anyone wanting to setup multiple sites that share content (nodes, content types, views, etc.), it should be your first port-of-call.

I highly recommend it, and recommend you start recommending it to anyone who asks.

WYSIWYG Questions

I must admit, I'm a bit surprised that you guys seemed to down-play the WYSIWYG question regarding creating links to pages already in your site.

This is an important issue (as are many WYSIWYG issues), and I'm surprised you guys haven't run into this more and solved it somehow, considering your expertise.

I was just at a meeting yesterday where a group of online content editors were complaining about using WYSIWYG editors; issues like this come up time & time again.

Also, the thought that my clients would be forced to learn HTML in order to update their site..... well..... I think that is such a geeky perspective. Online editors should absolutely NOT have to learn HTML to edit their site.

I do understand that when clients use a WYSIWYG editor, they ALMOST ALWAYS create horribly looking pages (changing fonts/font colours, etc), but that's why we need a lot of work in this area, and I am very happy to see progress on this with Drupal 7.

I truly believe that proper content editing (perhaps through a decent WYSIWYG editor) is the key to Drupal's success.

I think most geeks just haven't worked with enough non technical people to realize this.

WYSIWYG in Drupal

There as been a lot of talk about adding "a decent WYSIWYG editor to Drupal core", and after following plenty of discussions of actual users of the various, contributed editor integration modules for Drupal, I would say that there is no decent editor that would be suitable for everyone.

Each editor has its own features and glitches - and depending on your use-case, you perhaps want a fully-fledged editor as a replacement for your word-processing desktop application. Someone else would just like to allow community users to insert links and have some basic formatting (i.e. bold, italic/emphasized) in their posts -- loading a 150 KB beast only for this purpose would just be silly. Another one would like to use an extended editor based on Flash, Java, or a certain web-browser extension.

Since there are so many options and use-cases, I am highly opposed to adding "one decent" editor to Drupal core. Instead, Wysiwyg API allows you to integrate the editor of your choice - and on top of that, not only one, but multiple editors (even on the same page), so your users are able to use the appropriate editor for every single content on your Drupal site.

Link to Content

In regards to the WYSIWYG there is a module for TinyMCE (Drupal 5.x only) that does a really good job. It filters the nodes by taxonomy and then I think there's a search feature as well. I installed it on a family blog and it appeared to work well, and scratched my itch a little bit. I think it could be a good place to start. Wish there was one for FCK. Maybe one day.

you wish there was a FCK

you wish there was a FCK module? http://drupal.org/project/fckeditor

Link to Content Link

Domain Access Module

In regard to the question about sharing content between multiple sites:

The College that I work for is in the process of moving towards the Domain Access for a number of reasons. The reason we're going this route isn't specifically for sharing content, but it is obvious that it does a good job at it. When saving a node it gives you the option of saving that content so that other sites can access it. It's really hard to explain without actually sitting in front of a Drupal install with it installed. I can say that it does work great, and on top of, with the help of another module, allows for Single-Sign On authentication between sites, which is a must have in my situation. The user tables are shared between sites as well, which can be very nice in larger organizations.

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